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Marilynne Robinson at the Symposium for Spiritual ProgressPulitzer Prize-winning author Marilynne Robinson participates in a session at the Symposium on Spiritual Progress in Philadelphia. Photo by Simon Oosthuizen

On October 15-17, the Center of Theological Inquiry in Princeton, New Jersey held an international symposium to foster interdisciplinary dialogue on spiritual progress. The forum was an invitation-only event that brought the insights of major thinkers, which included Lord Jonathan Sacks, Marilynne Robinson, and Robert Bellah. The forum was chaired by our very own host Krista Tippett at Benjamin Franklin Hall of the American Philosophical Society in Philadelphia.

Thankfully, the symposium recorded Marilynne Robinson's conversation with other scholars during the symposium about her book Absence of Mind. In this first clip, Ms. Robinson says that "we have to accept our human exceptionalism" and sees it as "our human burden" and "not our boast":

And, here Ms. Robinson shares how she's been influenced by John Calvin and how his theology offers "a profound individualism and a profound sociality at the same time":

The complete audio of this symposium will appear on the Center of Theological Inquiry's website later this year.

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Robert BellahSociologist Robert Bellah is Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. (Photo by Simon OosthuizenSimon)

On October 15-17, the Center of Theological Inquiry in Princeton, New Jersey held an international symposium to foster interdisciplinary dialogue on spiritual progress. The forum was an invitation-only event that brought the insights of major thinkers, which included Lord Jonathan Sacks, Marilynne Robinson, and Robert Bellah. The forum was chaired by our very own host Krista Tippett at Benjamin Franklin Hall of the American Philosophical Society in Philadelphia.

Thankfully, the symposium recorded most of the conversations, and guided by Krista's notes, I wanted to share some of the more interesting points of the conversations and responses. Robert Bellah is one of the premiere sociologists and educators in the United States. For more than 30 years, he was a professor of sociology at the University of California at Berkeley and recently published Religion in Human Evolution: From the Paleolithic to the Axial Age. It's an ambitious work, to say the least, that probes humanity's biological past and "offers what is frequently seen as a forbidden theory of the origin of religion that goes deep into evolution, especially but not exclusively cultural evolution."

In this first clip, Mr. Bellah refers to the Axial Age, a period of several hundred years during the middle of the last millennium BCE when religions played a vital role in the development of great civilizations of the East before Western European expansion came into play. As Mr. Bellah strenuously points out in one story, Confucianism has a deep sense of a "universal ethic" that transcends a more survivalist tribal sensibility:

And, Mr. Bellah challenges scientists and scholars to take a stance, an ethical position that takes into account "a concern for those who are left out" of the intellectual discussion about such things as the sociology of religion:

Near the end of his response to other scholars' questions and statements, Mr. Bellah describes how his research into other religions has strengthened his Christian faith in practical ways — and that he has come to the conclusion that people cannot achieve agreement on one true religion and that no one religion has all the answers:

The complete audio of this symposium will appear on the Center of Theological Inquiry's website later this year.

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Praise to the rituals that celebrate change,
Old robes worn for new beginnings,
Solemn protocol where the mutable soul,
Surrounded by ancient experience, grows
Young in the imagination's white dress.

Pity the Beautiful by Dana GioiaFriday was Krista's birthday! Although she thought she could fly under the radar, I couldn't let this special day go unacknowledged. There was no cake (although she ought to eat something rich and delicious) or singing within cubicle walls (we'll leave that to her talented, singer-songwriter daughter and teenage son).

But, I did send her this beautiful poem, "Autumnal Inaugural," from Dana Gioia's brilliant new work Pity the Beautiful, from which the verse above was excerpted. If you're looking for something to read and ponder while driving home for the holidays or sitting around at the hockey rink this winter, you won't be disappointed. Plus, it's published by one of our favorites, Graywolf Press.

Please feel free to wish Krista a happy birthday! Send her one of your favorite lines of poetry via Twitter (@kristatippett) or add to the growing list of verses being contributed on Facebook — everything from Rumi to Muir to Whitman.

Garrett's MemorialIn response to last week's show, "A Wild Love for the World," we received this moving response from Katherine von Alt, a listener living in Austin, Texas:

"Since the death of my son I have been swimming in the sea of grief. This interview (and poetry) felt like a life raft. Thank you."

For all of us who work on this show, this note is what it's all about. We can't express how deeply these heart-felt stories move and inspire us. Thank you.

On Being AnalyticsAnd, as you'll notice in the graph to the right, Katherine was not alone in her fondness for this show. Our website traffic skyrocketed in both visitors and page impressions last week. In particular, people strongly responded to the Rilke poem "Let This Darkness Be a Bell Tower," to which Krista said she can listen to this poem again and again:

And if the world has ceased to hear you,
say to the silent earth: I flow.
To the rushing water, speak: I am.

My forest dream is still a dream...Around the same time, we posted this photograph by Vinoth Chandar on Instagram and Tumblr, and paired it with a brief passage from The Diary of Anaïs Nin, Volume 1: (1931-1934):

"The possession of knowledge does not kill the sense of wonder and mystery. There is always more mystery."

Although the 2012 campaign season is finished, the need for improving our public dialogue doesn't end, as Torey Lightcap (@fathertorey) reminded us after listening to The Civil Conversations Project:

Oh, @KristaTippett. You make such enormous good sense.

Upon reading this, we retweeted and asked:

Twitter Conversation between Krista Tippett and Father Torey

Pray tell, what prompted this kind statement?

To which he replied:

The thing about how to dialogue on divisive issues w/out letting conversation devolve into argument.

What ensued was this delightful exchange between the Episcopal priest from Sioux City, Iowa and Krista, who tweeted back:

We have to let division back into our dialogue - argument doesn't engage difference, nor does leaping to commonalities.

Rev. Torey then touched on the heart of Krista's philosophy and approach to her interviews:

Also, have we forgotten the value of questions? They're what help to propel a conversation forward in a civil way.

@fathertorey Yes! Questions are powerful - answers mirror them - and it's hard to transcend an inflammatory or simplistic question.

@kristatippett If we're willing to take time and really listen, boy do things crack open and flourish. So many just want to be heard.

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I'll round out this week's newsletter with a flurry of diverse articles that Krista has been sharing via Twitter. Why leave out those of you who aren't tweeting (yet?).

For those of you who've read bits and pieces of the saga involving Wired wunderkind and former New Yorker staff writer Jonah Lehrer:

Finally, a grounded, rounded analysis of the sad tale of Jonah Lehrer.

Lisa Kimball (@lisakimball) pointed Krista to Andrew Zolli's (@andrew_zolli) "intriguing essay" in The New York Times op-ed pages on resilience, sustainability, and learning to bounce back:

"Among a growing number of scientists, social innovators, community leaders, nongovernmental organizations, philanthropies, governments and corporations, a new dialogue is emerging around a new idea, resilience: how to help vulnerable people, organizations and systems persist, perhaps even thrive, amid unforeseeable disruptions. Where sustainability aims to put the world back into balance, resilience looks for ways to manage in an imbalanced world."

To which Krista asks, "Resilience - the future of sustainability?"

Obama Hugs WifeAnd, on what has quickly become an iconic image of the Obamas hugging shortly after they learned the President had won reelection:

Obama marital embrace - Analysis interesting - photo beautiful

As always, please send us your feedback about our work. Contact us any way you like: contact us on our website, share your suggestions and critiques on Facebook or Twitter (@beingtweets, @KristaTippett, @TrentGilliss).

Bishop Ntambo Nkulu NtandaUnited Methodist Bishop Ntambo Nkulu Ntanda (front left) of the Democratic Republic of Congo testifies before a U.S. House Foreign Affairs subcommittee in Washington DC. He asked the U.S. government to help end the Rwanda-supported conflict in Eastern Congo. Seated with Bishop Ntambo are Mark Schneider (center) of the International Crisis Group and Jason Stearns of the Usalama Project Rift Valley Institute. (Photo by Jay Mallin)

Religion as a force for peace in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) has been overlooked by scholars who have increasingly recognized the importance of local peacebuilding. Ethnographic research conducted in Kamina, DRC shows that religious leaders, including Protestant, Roman Catholic, Pentecostal, Muslim, Kimbanguist and indigenous, are deeply involved in peacebuilding efforts. They have established conversations with all segments of society — government, military, militia, civil society, and women — in order to develop a united public voice in a divided country where almost everyone practices some form of religion and spirituality.

In September, thirty-two of these religious leaders presented a petition signed by a million peace-seeking Congolese at the United Nations, and eight advocated for their cause on Capitol Hill. Resulting from these conversations, Bishop Ntambo Nkulu Ntanda, United Methodist Bishop from the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), testified at the House of Representatives Foreign Relations Subcommittee on Africa, Human Rights and Public Health. He challenged the US to press Rwanda to withdraw its support for “M23,” the rebel group currently attacking the DRC. Bishop Ntambo pled,

“In 1994 800,000 died in Rwanda, and we Congolese cried with the Rwandan people. The Western nations felt so guilty. In 1998 Rwanda invaded Congo and six million died. But no one cared. If for 800,000, why not for six million? Now Rwanda invades Congo again. This time, we ask you to stop this war.”

The “six million” referred to the deaths resulting from “Africa’s World War” that crippled the DRC from 1998-2002.

On July 31, 1998 Rwanda, aided by Uganda and Burundi, invaded. African nations failed to broker peace. Zimbabwe, Angola, and Namibia dispatched troops to support the Congolese army. The next three years brought failed peace negotiations, fighting over two-thirds of the country, deployment of the United Nation’s largest peacekeeping force, and the displacement and death of millions of Congolese civilians. In 2002, the Lusaka peace agreement between Rwanda and the DRC moved the region toward peace. But treacherous military leaders continued to foment unrest at the border of Rwanda and the DRC.

The current threat developed in mid-April 2012. General Bosco Ntaganda, wanted for war crimes, led “M23” to defect. UN Expert Report S/2012/348, released in June 2012, concluded that Rwanda backed the “M23.” Rwanda says the war is driven by ethnic division; UN reports from 2001-2004 showed that war in this region is fueled by “conflict minerals,” particularly coltan, which is used in cell phones and laptop computers.

Bishop Ntambo compared the efforts of the interfaith Congolese delegation to religious leaders in the U.S. after 9/11,

“You Americans came together as one. In Congo, we have 9/11 every day. We are here as one to ask you to stop the violence. You have it in your control.”

Bishop Ntambo spoke for a delegation of thirty-two Congolese religious and civic leaders determined to globalize their local peacebuilding. On August 31 they presented a petition at the UN signed by a million Congolese, asking the UN to pressure Rwanda to stop fighting. Then the delegation visited government leaders in the United States, Canada, Belgium, Italy, and Spain with the same message. In Canada, their meeting with the Department of International Trade Canada (DFAIT) resulted in DFAIT’s statement on September 14, “Canada Deeply Concerned by Grave Human Rights Violations in the Eastern Democratic Republic of Congo.”

On September 19 the testifiers demonstrated the complementary roles that civil society and religious leaders often play in public discourse. Mark Schneider of the International Crisis Group, a non-governmental organization committed to preventing and resolving deadly conflict, and Jason Stearns, who led a United Nations Expert Panel on Rwanda and Congo, presented detailed evidence of Rwandan support for the M23. But information alone does not create political will or persuade the United States or Canada, allies of Rwanda, to hold it accountable for its actions. Bishop Ntambo’s testimony did what religious leaders do best: it offered stories and metaphors that made real the agony of the Congolese people.

The UN General Assembly convened a sidebar “Congo Summit,” but observers say little was accomplished. The religious leaders’ petition requested expanded rules of engagement for the UN peacekeeping force, arrest of all war criminals named by the UN, and rejection of Rwanda’s application to be a non-permanent member of the UN Security Council. Some experts believe that Rwanda would respond to a decrease in international aid; others suggest that Rwanda is sensitive potential loss of reputation in the international community. The religious and civic leaders of the DRC hope that the Western world will keep it eyes on the unfolding drama, and by so doing, save the lives of innocent civilians.


Pamela CouturePamela D. Couture is the Jane and Geoffrey Martin Professor of Church and Community at Emmanuel College of Victoria University in the University of Toronto.

Mande MuyomboMande Muyombo is the Executive Secretary for Africa, Mission Relationships, General Board of Global Ministries of the United Methodist Church and Doctor of Ministry student at Saint Paul School of Theology in Kansas City, MO.


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Islamic Center of North VirginiaMuslim men worship at a masjid in northern Virginia. (Photo by Paul J. Richards/AFP/Getty Images)

My journey from Pakistan to a new home began in late July when, after much anticipation, I arrived in the United States. This was a tough decision for someone who had lived for 40 years in one place and was now choosing to live in a new culture. Leaving behind everything I knew was difficult.

However, my wife, who is American, had had a similar experience when she left the United States seven years ago to live with me in Pakistan. So, I thought, why can’t I?

While standing in the queue with my Pakistani passport waiting for my turn to be interviewed at the immigration counter, I felt both worried and excited. Would immigration authorities interrogate me because I was coming from Pakistan? I wondered, thinking of some of the stories I’d heard from friends who had faced hard questions and lengthy security procedures.

Yet when it was my turn the officer at the immigration counter greeted me politely and the entry process was completed smoothly. My journey was off to a good start.

Still I was worried; how was I going to be received by Americans as a Muslim Pakistani?

Overall, the experience has been much more positive than I had expected. And I quickly learned that stereotypes go both ways.

In the United States, I am often mistaken for an Indian immigrant. When I correct someone by telling that I am not from India but from Pakistan, the response is often one of dismay: “Oh, the lack of law and order there is terrible!” It makes me sad that this is how Americans see Pakistan.

Yet the day-to-day situation in Pakistan is not as disheartening as it appears from the outside. Perhaps media has played a role in creating this image. But in general, Pakistanis are concerned with improving their political system. Citizens are engaged and the country has a vibrant civil society, human rights groups and people who believe in interfaith dialogue.

In another instance, I once told my English as a Second Language (ESL) teacher about Pakistan’s former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. She asked, surprised, “How can a woman be prime minister of an Islamic country?” Through our conversation, she learned about a side of Pakistan she had been unfamiliar with.

During the first part of my visit, some of my own preconceptions about the United States changed as well. I arrived during the first week of the month of Ramadan when Muslims fast wondering what it would be like to be in an environment where others around me would not be fasting.

In fact observing Ramadan in the United States was quite different than observing it in Pakistan. While I missed the communal aspect of fasting together and supporting each other, it was a positive experience to draw strength from my faith as I fasted with my family.

And, marking Eid ul-Fitr, the holiday marking the end of Ramadan when practicing Muslims offer a special prayer at their local mosque in my local mosque in Springfield, Virginia, I watched as men, women and children prayed together under one roof. Worshippers came from many different cultural backgrounds, and the Fairfax County Police Department directed traffic near the mosque to help the local Muslim community as they observed their holiday.

This surprised me because some Pakistanis assume that the United States is anti-Muslim. Exposure to American culture, however, has changed my perspective on this, as I have had many experiences of co-existence and pluralism.

For instance, in my ESL class I study with people from all over the world, not only learning English but simultaneously experiencing the beauty of other cultures. I have made new friends who are Hindus, Sikhs and Christians; and in the area where I live there temples, mosques and churches.

No country is perfect. But overall, I have been pleasantly surprised to see real examples of people living out tolerance, harmony and acceptance in my new home — and I hope that both Americans and Pakistanis can grow to better understand each other’s cultures.


Tarik ZiaTarik Zia is a former Pakistani journalist who worked in national newspapers, television, and magazines. He now lives in Virginia.

This article was published by the Common Ground News Service on October 30, 2012. Copyright permission is granted for publication.

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"We're drying them out. But I'm looking closely — a lot of these pages, it's not reparable. This is just heartbreaking to look at."

Rabbi Avremel Okonov's words At Mazel Academy in Brooklyn, Torah scrolls were unrolled to dry after being damaged by the floodwaters from Hurricane Sandy. Photo by Ben Harris.— and this image of Torah scrolls being unrolled to dry after a Brighton Beach yeshiva in Brooklyn was flooded — put another face on what has been lost in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy. We're based in Minnesota and, much like the rest of the world, our imaginations and conversations have been captivated by the devastating aftermath of Sandy.

To all of our friends and fans on the East Coast affected by the storm, Downtown Darkwe wish you a healthy recovery and hope that you're safe and warm, and with power.

Our producer Nancy Rosenbaum (who grew up in New Jersey and whose parents are without electricity) reminded us that "this Rilke poem from the Book of Hours that Joanna Macy reads at the end of this week's show has Sandy written all over it." These opening lines seem so fitting for this moment:

You are not surprised at the force of the storm—
you have seen it growing.
The trees flee. Their flight
sets the boulevards streaming. And you know:
he whom they flee is the one
you move toward. All your senses
sing him, as you stand at the window.

On Thursday, Krista interviewed Brené Brown, a qualitative researcher who has spent more than a decade studying shame and vulnerability:

Enjoying preparing for interview tomorrow with @BreneBrown: Vulnerability is the birthplace of innovation, creativity, and change.

Brene' Brown speaksIn 2010, Dr. Brown presented "The Power of Vulnerability" at TEDxHouston. Her talk exploded onto the scene and has been viewed more than six million times:

"We numb vulnerability. The problem is that you cannot selectively numb emotion. You can't numb those hard feelings without numbing the other affects or emotions. You cannot selectively numb. And when we numb those, we numb joy. We numb gratitude. We numb happiness."

"To welcome the suffering is the sign of our humanity."While editing this interview the next day, I (@TrentGilliss) "time-shift-tweeted," if you will, the conversation. These ideas particularly resonated with our followers (@beingtweets):

"When I meet you, vulnerability is the first thing I try to find in you. And the last thing I want to show you in me."

"I think it's the long walk from 'what will people think' to 'I am enough.'" ~@BreneBrown, on the courage to hold vulnerability as a value

"The most beautiful things I look back on are coming out from underneath things I didn't know I could get out from underneath."

"Hope is a function of struggle."

"To me, vulnerability is courage -- the willingness to show up and be seen in our lives."

After listening to her interview, Krista humorously tweeted:

@BreneBrown, was that a therapy session or an interview? Either way a pleasure. We'll broadcast/podcast in a few weeks - watch this space.

And, if you get a chance, check out some of the questions for Brené Brown people posted on our Facebook page. They're fantastic! Like this one from Joy Wotherspoon Hoppenot:

Joy Wotherspoon Hoppenot"Any insights on how to find community/your tribespeople when you're one of those wholehearted, vulnerable types? Western society certainly doesn't affirm this path. I find the journey quite isolating, even though I am sure others are going through it as well, silently. How can we locate one another?"

Election Day Communion Planning GuideWith the upcoming U.S. elections on Tuesday, we continue to look for convening places aimed at healing our fractured civil spaces. Election Day Communion is one of those noble efforts (and a kindred project to our CCP series). The site leads with this manifesto:

Some of us will choose to vote for Barack Obama.
Some of us will choose to vote for Mitt Romney.
Some of us will choose to vote for another candidate.
Some of us will choose not to vote.

During the day of November 6, 2012, we will make different choices for different reasons, hoping for different results.

But that evening while our nation turns its attention to the outcome of the presidential election, let’s again choose differently. But this time, let’s do it together.

Is your congregation participating?

And, each Sunday, Krista (@kristatippett) declares a "Twitter sabbath." It looks like she found time to read Taking the Leap:

Pema Chodron: Pausing becomes something that nurtures you; you begin to prefer it to being all caught up.

Like the idea of practicing pausing - throughout the day - as spiritual and even civic discipline.

"Wildness is not just the 'preservation of the world,' it is the world. We need a civilization that can live fully and creatively together with wildness." -Gary Snyder, photo by Ivan Corbett
As you take in these darkening days of autumn, I'll leave you with our most popular Instagram of the week: Ivan Corbett's photograph of Svalbard, an archipelago in the Arctic that forms the northernmost part of Norway (also home of the Svalbard Global Seed Vault), paired with a passage from Gary Snyder's The Practice of the Wild:

"Wildness is not just the 'preservation of the world,' it is the world. We need a civilization that can live fully and creatively together with wildness."

As always, please send us your feedback about our work. Contact us any way you like: contact us on our website, share your suggestions and critiques on Facebook or Twitter (@beingtweets, @KristaTippett, @TrentGilliss).

Nuns Await St. ThereseCarmelite Sisters Welcome the remains of St. Therese in Birmingham, England (catholicrelics.co.uk) Flickr/Catholic Church (England and Wales), cc by-nc-sa 2.0

Growing up as a Catholic in the deep South, I don't have a lot of memories of celebrating All Saints Day. Or maybe those memories were just clouded by my post-Halloween sugar-overload hangovers. St. Catherine of SiennaMy Twitter feed reminded me of it today as Vatican News tweeted a short interview with the Archbishop of Bombay, Cardinal Oswald Garcia, who shared some of his favorite saints that he prays to on this day:

"For us in India it is a day when lots of people come to church, and I would say when you ask me the question of whom do I pray to, I regularly pray to non-canonized. That's John Paul II, I pray to Mother Theresa very very often...both of these, because I knew them personally so well. Of course St. Anthony is a favorite saint of mine."

When it was time for me to choose a confirmation name, I read bios of heroic saints in a giant book clad in white, faux-leather binding with thin pages and gilded edges. I ended up choosing my mother's confirmation name (a classic also shared by Jesus' mother). I can't say that I have a favorite saint, but these make an impression:

Please share your favorite saints with us in the comments below or on Facebook.
Embroidery photo by Flickr/Fr. Lawrence Lew, O.P/cc by-nc-nd 2.0

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We live in a vulnerable world, says social researcher Brené Brown. And what do we do in the face of this vulnerability? We numb it.

But Dr. Brown says we cannot selectively numb emotion. When we do, we anesthetize personal joy and gratitude and happiness. In today's society, we are masters of this numbing, but there are those out there who "lean" into their vulnerability and fragility. They are our teachers, the ones who can model a way forward to love wholeheartedly and see ourselves for who we are. World Domination Summit 2012 - Portland, ORThe key, says Dr. Brown, is to acknowledge that we are "wired for struggle." Her solution: let ourselves be seen, deeply and vulnerably, by others; love others wholeheartedly even though there's no guarantee of reciprocation; practice gratitude and joy in those moments of terror; and believe we are enough.

We're preparing for our interview with Dr. Brené Brown this Thursday morning. If you have a question about vulnerability, courage, authenticity, or shame, post it here in the comments section. I'll be sure to pass them on to Krista and see if we can get some of them asked during their conversation.

Photo by Chris Guillebeau/Armosa Studios and licensed under Creative Commons.

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No politician, no party can deliver the utopian society they promise. Neither candidate is the hope of the world. As Christians, we believe that job is taken.
Ben Irwin

Election Day Communion Planning GuideThe former Zondervan publishing executive and Episcopalian Michigander has teamed up with two Mennonite pastors to create Election Day Communion. The campaign is a network of more than 600 congregations of all denominations in all 50 states who have signed on to gather together on November 6th "to build unity in Christ in the midst of theological, political, and denominational differences" in "red states, blue states, and swing states." The site leads with this manifesto:

Some of us will choose to vote for Barack Obama.
Some of us will choose to vote for Mitt Romney.
Some of us will choose to vote for another candidate.
Some of us will choose not to vote.

During the day of November 6, 2012, we will make different choices for different reasons, hoping for different results.

But that evening while our nation turns its attention to the outcome of the presidential election, let’s again choose differently. But this time, let’s do it together.

It's a noble effort that speaks to the premise of our own Civil Conversations Project, in which we aim to provide tools and ideas for healing our fractured civic spaces. This collaboration is one of those kindred projects that speaks to people's yearning to achieve disagreement and work together.

(h/t to Charley Honey of The Grand Rapids Press for calling our attention to EDC.)

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Spiritual life is a way of dwelling with perplexity - its purpose as well as its perils, its beauty as well as its ravages. ~@KristaTippett



Since many of our U.S. readers and listeners are engulfed in the final weeks of a presidential campaign, it's only fitting that I share this vibrant, literary exchange between Twitter thread between Terry Tempest Williams and Krista TippettKrista and and a former guest, Terry Tempest Williams, who tweeted:

Democratic Vistas by Walt Whitman. How about reading this during the election returns for measure.

@TempestWilliams "I know nothing grander.. the triumphant result of faith in human kind, than a well-contested American national election."

@kristatippett Yes, indeed. Thanks for posting this, Krista. Let's hope....xxx TTW

Much of this week was spent finishing our last show from The Civil Conversations Project and wintering the series until next season. It's been a journey, one we think adds to the betterment of our public discourse. After airing last week's show with David Blankenhorn and Jonathan Rauch, Krista noted:

Savoring the reflections in response to the Future of Marriage show. We can reframe our dead end debates.

On Facebook, we heard from many people who long for these types of conversations but are hesitant to engage. Becky Phillips Andersen from Georgetown, Texas commented:

Becky Phillips Andersen"I have to admit I tuned into this and the discussion of abortion with a knot in my stomach. But, I so appreciate these discussions and the brilliant approach to such difficult subjects. Thank you."



Teresa Garcia echoed this sentiment and added:

Teresa Garcia"Beyond the difficulty of the topic, I really appreciated hearing you and your guest say that our hearts ache for a meaningful way to speak with one another when we disagree. It's true. Thank you for modeling how it might be done through this series. I wish I were seeing even a tiny bit of it in the political debates."

And, for Larry Robinson of Virginia:

Larry Robinson"Thank you for this conversation, Krista. It gets straight to the heart of being human - to love and be loved. And then to hope that love is recognized by society. Thanks too to Mr. Blankenhorn for understanding and advocacy."

But, for a listener named Rebecca, it was an aha! moment:

"The understanding that opened up for me today was this one, when Jonathan Rauch talked about his moment at the piano bench considering his lonely life ahead. Knowing he was gay, he didn't dread the sex or the humiliation of locker room teasing, he was anticipating the emptiness of life without a FAMILY. Kathunk.

Jonathan Rauch talks to Krista Tippett and David BlankenhornNow I know why so many in my life have first chosen traditional marriage and only later in life have 'come out' of the closeted life. The prospect of missing out on children and all that means was simply too lonely.

When we wipe away the option of traditional Thanksgiving dinners in November and Sundays in the park as well as hospital visits, we force people into closets just as surely as when we ask them questions about "how do you consummate that marriage?"

The civility and doubt took me much deeper than mere head butting. But I expected no less from all of you."

These type of responses are edifying and makes this work worth all the effort. Thank you!

"In the space between chaos and shape there was another chance." -Jeanette Winterson, photo by Cameron Hibbert
As we think forward to the next season of The Civil Conversations Project, Krista is pondering the overarching title of the CCP series and whether we should rename it:

I struggled with the word civility — sounds too mild, "nice" perhaps, and not transformative. The New Conversations Project?

What do you think? Does the title suffice? Or should it stay the same? Jim Hayes (@e_j_hayes) responded with this suggestion — and points to a like-minded project:

for civility - witness. solidarity, community, dialogue - existing initiative



And this desire for fresh ways of talking to one another isn't just relegated to civility. Andrew Haeg, a former colleague of ours at APM, left the organization to start a kindred project called GroundTruth:

Tremendous new work by @andrewhaeg — bringing empathy to journalism.



Andrew explains his project in greater depth on the PBS MediaShift blog. Check it out.


Nearly 500 people responded to this Instagram photo paired with a quotation from "Books are the quietest and most constant of friends; they are the most accessible and wisest of counselors, and the most patient of teachers." -Charles William Elliot, photo by Stefano CorsoCharles William Elliot's The Happy Life.

"Books are the quietest and most constant of friends; they are the most accessible and wisest of counselors, and the most patient of teachers."

We loved the spirit and intensity of Stefano Corso's photo but worried a bit about the girl smoking. Our friends on Facebook didn't disappoint in their response. Some admonished us and others spotted in with a bit of humor:

Barbara Krivda: Please do not advertise cigarettes.

Marie Small: wonderful quote even though that's not my favorite author...oh well

Wayne Warnken: Hopefully reading how to quit smoking.....

Myrna Rybczyk: Loved that book!

Maureen S Martin: Makes me want a cigarette, honestly. And a good book.

Julie Kendall-Tonn: Haven't read a book since I quit smoking. Shame on you, doctor! Ba ha ha ha. JK

Ronald W. Gower: Reading is a very important part of my life. Books bring me to places and thoughts that I would never otherwise consider.



"A sense of humor is a sense of proportion." -Kahlil Gibran, photo by JD HancockOn this note, I'll leave you with a line from Kahlil Gibran's Sand and Foam, which Krista retweeted from Egyptian-American poet Yahia Lababidi:

"A sense of humor is a sense of proportion."

As always, please send us your feedback about our work and this email. Contact us any way you like: reply to this email, contact us on our website, share your suggestions and critiques on Facebook or Twitter (@beingtweets, @KristaTippett, @TrentGilliss).

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Are we in the matrix? Physicist James Gates reveals why string theory stretches our imaginations about the nature of reality. Also, how failure makes us more complete, and imagination makes us more knowledgeable.

May 30, 2013

You might call Tami Simon a spiritual entrepreneur. She's built a successful multimedia publishing company with a mission to disseminate "spiritual wisdom" by diverse teachers and thinkers like Pema Chödrön and Eckhart Tolle, Daniel Goleman and Brené Brown. She offers compelling lessons on joining inner life with life in the workplace — and advice on spiritual practice with a mobile device.

May 23, 2013

The poet Christian Wiman is giving voice to the hunger for faith — and the challenges of faith — for people living now. After a Texas upbringing soaked in a history of violence and a charismatic Christian culture, he was agnostic until he became actively religious again in his late 30s. Then he was diagnosed with a rare form of incurable blood cancer. He's bearing witness to something new happening in himself and in the world.

May 15, 2013

Disruption is around every corner by way of globally connected economies, inevitable superstorms, and technology’s endless reinvention. But most of us were born into a culture which aspired to solve all problems. How do we support people and create systems that know how to recover, persist, and even thrive in the face of change? Andrew Zolli introduces "resilience thinking," a new generation’s wisdom for a world of constant change.