David R. Montgomery —
Reading the Rocks: Flood Stories and Deep Time

The push and pull between religion and science has shaped advances in geology from the beginning. David Montgomery set out to debunk Noah’s Flood; instead he discovered this biblical story was the plate tectonics of its day. He tells us how the evolution of landscapes and geological processes shape ecology and humanity. And, how we should read rocks for the stories they tell about who we are and where we came from.

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is Professor of Earth and Space Sciences at the University of Washington in Seattle, where he leads the Geomorphological Research Group. He's the author of The Rocks Don't Lie: A Geologist Investigates Noah's Flood and Dirt.

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Jason Briner, a geologist with the University of Buffalo, looks for the right spot to gather samples of granite to research the age of the local glacial retreat on July 24, 2013 in Ilulissat, Greenland. As the sea levels around the globe rise, researchers affiliated with the National Science Foundation and other organizations are studying the phenomena of the melting glaciers and its long-term ramifications. The warmer temperatures that have had an effect on the glaciers in Greenland also have altered the ways in which the local populace farm, fish, hunt, and even travel across land. In recent years, sea level rise in places such as Miami Beach has led to increased street flooding and prompted leaders such as New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg to propose a $19.5 billion plan to boost the city’s capacity to withstand future extreme weather events by, among other things, devising mechanisms to withstand flooding.

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on what radio station might I find this show in the Bay Area of California? thanx

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Hi Sheila. Unfortunately, we are not on KQED in the Bay Area (we'd love to be!) but are on KAZU in Santa Cruz. Otherwise, the best way is to subscribe to our podcast on iTunes. Cheers.

Krista's conversation with David Montgomery reminded me of my childhood library search for information on the fascinating new idea of plate tectonics. Back in the early 1970's, books on plate tectonics were next to books on ghosts and ESP in the Dewey Decimal System. By the late 1970's, tectonics was taught in my college geology class, but our amazing, beloved elderly professor pointed out that the hot spots like Hawaii were not well-explained by the theory. Thank you for a great show!

Is the transcript for On Being interviews still available? They were in the past and transcripts are very helpful to clarify certain points in t he interview.

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Suggest any of Simon Winchester's work on geology/history/biography. In the Map That Changed the World he tells the story of William Smith, the true father of Geology. In Smith's England during the 1740's, collecting fossils was all the rage with the gentry - keeping them in China closets as "relics of the Flood." It helps to develop that perspective and think about how the Wesley brothers and others were opening new doors in the understanding of our relationship with God at about the same time and place.

Interestingly, Hindu epistemology posits time as cyclical, with each 4-stage age (progressing from an time of Truth / Social Order to a time of Depravity / Disorder) ending in a world-age ending flood...
...being a Hindu who attended Catholic schools growing up, I've always wondered about the links.
Might Mesopotamian geological history -- given Aryan / Middle Caucaus-originating migration patterns -- be the key?

I loved this show. Good information. Much wisdom and many insights, as usual.

Here's what is wrong with so-called "middle of the road" thiners as this gentleman claims to be. Nobody learns anything from your equivocation concerning factual information. The idea that the entire discussion is dominated by "creationists" on the one hand and a "screaming Richard Dawkins" on the other is absurd. Science is basd on facts, religion is based on indoctirnation. They two do not overlap. By the way, would you be so good as produce the videos of Richard Dawkins screaming? I have not seen them. I think this is your fabrication in order to present yourself as a great thinker.

Well said, Non Give. I'd like Krista and David to tell us how religion informs science without making bloody obvious observations that any field scientist could make. Further, I would characterize the question asked in "The Genesis Flood" as a simple rehashing of questions first asked in the 17th century and not insightful at all. Not only that, but these questions are being asked by grown men positing the answers to the then-problematic questions as a magical, invisible being. Anyway, disappointing ep.

I was hoping that you and David would talk more about specific flood stories and the evidence that explains them (or not). In some versions of the Noah's flood story I have noticed that seasons were restored after the flood implying that the seasons were messed up before the flood somehow. Also, people use to live over 400 years before Noah's flood and after it, they only lived 120 years at most. I wonder how they counted years if the seasons were messed up. Both details seem to hint that something big happened to the earths rotation and tilt of its axis. That could cause a flood. This all may be in his book but there are so many books and so little time..

I have followed the evolution/creation debate for over 30 years and always thought the creationists had the better argument, even though there are some gaps. It was very refreshing to hear some honest discussion of the evidence that poses serious problems for the "billions & billions of years" axiom that the evolutionists keep throwing up as an explanation for everything that doesn't fit their world view. I never expected to hear something like this on NPR though. Thank you so much.

I loved this show. The music of Wes Swing sounded great. I was surprised to hear lullaby on the production.

I am married to a geologist who opened me to a new set of eyes, seeing 'the story' of geology all around us. I am also a theologian, as interested in a renewed cosmology based on astro physics and geogolgy etc. What a fantastic interview you two put together. You, Krista, are very scary in your depth of insight and perspective. I approach each of your weekly programs with excitement, but a bit of fear, knowing that my 'deep perspectives' are a bit shallow compared to yours... humbling, to say the least, but also challenging me to stretch beyond my sometimes parochial opinions. And you do all that while conveying how warmily human you still are....

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