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I was disappointed that this deeply reflective, highly articulate person felt that he was communing with fish "at the end of a line." There are ample studies now documenting that fish feel pain. There are studies that fish have culture. Yet, James did not articulate any sense that what he was doing was very one-sided, with seemingly no empathy for the fish. Paradoxically, he seems to understand everything else about the fish except for what they must feel. I wish Krista would have raised this point in the interview.