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I'm sorry to say that while there is likely much to gain from this conversation, Mr. Kabat-Zinn's political perspective injected repeatedly into his teaching greatly detracted from the valuable information he had to offer. Mr. Kabat-Zinn undermines what it is he is trying to convey by constantly tracking back to his opinions and interpretations of recent history. His moaning about the damage done to the economy by capitalists, bankers, the financial sector,greedy CEOs, blah, blah, blah, it completely turned me off to his message. If this is what "mindfulness" gets us...stop already. Until Mr. Kabat-Zinn can let go of all that political anger, he won't be able to further his work, message and ideas like he wants to or like he could.