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I have listened to two pod casts in this series - Vincent Harding and Richard Mouw. I found myself encouraged by one and frustrated by the other. Richard Mouw exhibited the kind of arrogance that I have come to expect from the evangelical community while Vincent Harding demonstrated some of the best thinking that helped create the civil rights movement.

I am a Unitarian Universalist and believe we have created a culture that holds each other to the covenant of UU principals while providing the structure to allow differences in creed. In my view we covenant to live by our principals which I see as humanist values and give ourselves the flexibility to believe in what is true for each individual. It seems to me that we have found a way to live by Vincent Harding's statement where "love trumps doctrine". I think no words hold more truth.

In contrast the comments of Richard Mouw spoke volumes to illustrate how the evangelical community continues to alienate others. He says he wants to enter into civil discourse for example with gays and lesbians and yet simultaneously believes these people should remain in a second class status and not allowed to marry. He justifies this position based on the doctrine and thinking of his faith and his interpretation of what is holy to him. Who is he to judge other humans? What gives him the absolute authority to interpret the will of God? I don't think that any other human has ability or right to judge who another person is in relation to their identity and sexual orientation.

Mouw seemed to ask almost rhetorically "how do we (evangelicals and gays/lesbians) enter into civil dialogue with each other?" In my opinion, he and others in his religion can start by minding their own business. Evangelicals should stop trying to ensconce their religious views and morality into the laws of the state. Let gays and lesbians be who and what they are as holy images of God. Let gays and lesbians be equals in our society. Only, as equals can the two communities enter into meaningful dialogue. Evangelicals can keep their own opinions and faith - no one is asking them to change only to let go.