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Hello, I would like to share how moved I was at this mornings program featuring the late poet John O'Donohue. I am not sure where to begin. Several of your recent shows have resonated with me. I am currently a PhD Student in Expressive Therapies at Lesley University in Cambridge, Massachusetts. I will be researching the use of mandala as a reflective, visual narrative with adolescents who have a difficult time managing the complicated, emotional elements in life that throw them off balance. I would like to cite excerpts from the transcripts of this interview in a paper I am writing on creativity and development. I have been struggling with this topic because I often feel we try so hard to quantify and explain things in the West. We try so hard to put them in boxes so the explanation is neat and tidy. I work with children and adolescents who have acute psychiatric needs. As I listened to Mr. O'Donohue's comments of urban life and its bleakne ss, its lack of beauty, I came to wonder about this. I have several children who are truly able to find beauty and balance in their urban worlds. I have other who cannot and suffer in their world, often becoming victims because well, I am not sure why. I am curious about this and hope to explore this in the future. The essay I am writing will challenge the analysis of creativity, and ask why we cannot accept the mystery that is creativity in art, music, writing and craft. Are we uncomfortable with this? Ah I am so inspired by this podcast, thank you for making the transcript available so that i may ponder it further. I will credit On Being, Ms. Tippet and Mr. O'Donohue in the unpublished essay for my course work in accordance to APA guidelines, if that is okay. Thank you.