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I'd love to know which Frederick Douglass letter Ms. Tippett read from toward the end of the interview. It was intriguing and I'd love to read the rest of it.

I also want to say that I think that the role of race relations and how they have shaped our American "democracy" cannot be overstated. Mr. Needleman, somewhat cavalierly, states that "there is no more slavery in America" which is not altogether accurate, considering the way the laws of the land have been used to create a prison industrial complex that is surpassed by NONE in the world in size, formidability and lucrativeness for the people who build them.