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Lughnasaluna, to me you seem unduly confident that there is duplicity of the kind alleged here in almost every religious institution that opposes homosexuality. I'm pretty sure that isn't true, but one could get that impression from some liberal sources, even if they don't intend that result. That's the kind of false security about liberal views I had in mind, not security that God exists or the like.

Obviously no one should do what Long is accused of. Just to avoid possible confusion, I'm not conservative or a believer myself, and see nothing wrong with homosexuality.