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I have read Tutu and heard him also talk in Kalamazoo. He truly inspires how we are all made for goodness. I was shocked too when hearing the above tale when you ran this interview, such that we very much feel his pain at the thought. Another impressionable thing was that he clearly sees how the oppressor likewise is dehumanized in the process of dehumanizing the victim. And reconciliation for this soul is also required, out of love. I have reminded myself of this often too when a vitriol email/blog entry or hate mail comes to my attention that the person is in need or some form or reconciliation.