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Richard Mouw talks at the end about a "common life" that we should have a "flourishing common life." How can we do that when the welfare of gay people is denied? How can one say, "I love you and want to support your welfare, but I don't support gay marriage." ? If one wants to support a truly pluralistic society one can't deny basic civil rights to one large group. If one rejects this as a legitimate right, then one denies the other's humanity and citizenship. THAT is why homosexuals will still argue that Richard Mouw is homophobic. What difference does "civility" make if in the end the other is denied full citizenship? Of what practical use is "civility" ? I wonder, why won't Richard Mouw, in the name of shalom, respect and civility, say something along the lines of "I may disagree with you, but I fully support your humanity and citizenship and therefore will support your civil right to get married." ? Otherwise, the world will continue to go 'round and 'round, spinning and spinning and becoming more and more polarized.