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It was frustrating because Tippett isn't used to interviewing scientists who simply say that there is no place in science for religion. She identifies meaning with religion, and and Krauss's view that science itself, without belief in magic is meaningful. Most of the comments here show that her listeners agree with her. But as Krauss points out, religion is often the result of the unwillingness of people to try to understand science. Why? Because it's hard and requires some thought. But it can be done. Scientists like Krauss are dependable sources for access to the halls of science and we owe it to ourselves and to society to make the effort. And it's fun.