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I'm curious. Assuming you were listening to the show as a radio broadcast, did or have you considered listening to or watching the rest of the conversation online? I have read the entire thread of this conversation so far and wonder if you might adjust your observations once hearing how Krista's and Kraus's conversation developed/proceeded including the questions put forth by members of the audience toward the end. If not, I'd recommend investing your time in the unedited video version and report back on your conclusions in response to your hope stated in your original post. I liked your answers in response to the "fundamentalist" term discussion.