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It's interesting that this person, as many, were brought up Catholic. The general rule is that they wander away from the Church, and then discover a moral law that is standard Catholic teaching. For example, sustainability and resilience instead of perfecting a situation is a conclusion from the doctrine of original sin: this world is not perfectable. And the virtue of patience is the virtue of enduring discomfort and imperfection over time.

Maybe the non-Catholic language is more appealing or understandable. I find the Church's teaching more direct and powerful, and complete. Maybe one day Krista's excellent show will have a major Catholic thinker to interview.