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Listening to this again after many years, I thought about my nephew who was not raised with any religious traditions. And when he was young, up to about 7, he would draw pictures using Transformers, and Sponge Bob Square Pants, and all of those images. And in those picture there would often be a "divine" or "more" that he would include in the story about his picture. Was really amazing to hear him say those things without any reference of that in his family life.