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I have to take strong exception with Paul Davies and his statements how the "greeks and the jews" (or any religion) gave us our modern tradition and understanding of faith vs. reason. Faith encompasses that which can not be reasoned [as Einstein said!]. Likewise, reason is to not take something "on faith". Successful attempts to confuse these two concepts by religious majorities gave us the word atheist. However, I think it was Jonathan Miller who pointed out: "We dont have a word for those who don't believe in unicorns". Either way, it is a brilliant moment in human history when the greeks or Decartes help us to understand the fundamental difference between faith and reason, which allows civilization to become unshackled from unjustifiable ideas and leap forward. Whether its christians, zoroastrian, muslims, or jews, these groups hide these boundaries for good and bad reasons. None of this disputes or condemns a need and place for religious philosophy in our lives. However, by blurring these concepts your panelist particularly misses the point of today's show. Whether its a Priest, Rabbi, Aquinas or Maimonides, we will always be confronted with those who try alchemy to combine these truly diametrically opposed concepts. The greeks first glimpsed the differences between perceived and testable concepts about nature. Just look at the optical illusions crafted into their buildings.