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Avivah starts off stating that Moses was not a simple character because he was an Israelite raised by Pharos sister but nursed by his mom hired by pharos sister.She also sees significance with Moses refuting God at the burning bush because God being angry at Moses also represented the problem God had with trying to redeem the people, a resistance of unwillingness to open oneself up. The reason because people find they are not fully capable, by their own short falls to be used by god.

Avivah talks about how Pharos hardened his own heart and after the six plagues God hardened his heart, she describes that when it is said that God hardened his heart it let Pharos off the hook. She also says that Pharos didn’t just harden his heart he doesn’t hear what Moses or God is saying. Pharos did this intentional he doesn’t have to say no by not hearing and he doesn’t outright refuse to let the people go.

I like how she went into the importance of the pain and suffering being seen by Moses and God and how this is a big part of redemptions possibility, because the barrier has been removed. Even seeing ones own pain was the beginning of the people’s redemption, it makes them apathetic. I agree with her about how God is aroused by humans just as humans are aroused by God, showing the relationship is mutual, god is moved by human beings and vise versa.

In talking about the Passover, Avivah brings out it happened to be a stimulus for a good story, not something happening making the story. This was done to make the Egyptians rush Israel out and for God to rush his redemption. Also why Pharos came after Israel after he rushed them out was because he felt it was a crazy idea, irrational to let them go, he felt as long as he had the children of Israel in his power and God was sending him messages, he felt he had a relationship with God. Now that was gone and he was bored, a mentality many leaders have, this lead to many Egyptian deaths in the Red Sea.

She talks about human freedom and human liberation and the need for those having to be liberated to achieve in themselves some sense of the possibility of change. I like this because it goes to people seeing in themselves that a change is needed and they are tired of sin and need salvation before salvation can even take place.

I really enjoyed this discussion with Avivah Zonberg, it reminded me of the readings we just finished on Pagels and how there was more or less to the stories in the bible. I understood the Mardish story more than the Gnostic stories. To me this was more believable because he didn’t try to change or just pull stuff out like the Gnostic’s he just brought out hidden stories, which seemed more like more insight on what happened in Exodus.

Arthur Crutch